Re: Registration open for IETF 114

Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com> Mon, 09 May 2022 17:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: Registration open for IETF 114
Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 10:31:58 -0700
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Hi John,

> On May 9, 2022, at 8:19 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> --On Monday, May 9, 2022 09:59 -0500 Behcet Sarikaya
> <sarikaya2012@gmail.com <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 2:43 PM Ross Finlayson
>> <finlayson@live555.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 5, 2022, at 9:57 AM, IETF Executive Director <
>>> exec-director@ietf.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The IETF 114 meeting venue is at the Sheraton Philadelphia
>>>> Downtown.  As
>>> explained in the FAQ, you will need to register before you
>>> can reserve a guest room at the venue.
>>> 
>>> Strictly speaking, this does not appear to be correct.  The
>>> link that I was sent to me (after I registered for the IETF)
>>> to reserve a guest room was not specific to my IETF
>>> registration.  While it gave me the IETF-discounted room
>>> rate, it would have worked for anyone, even if they hadn't
>>> registered for the IETF.
>>> 
>>> For other on-site IETF meetings (before Covid), the link to
>>> reserve a hotel guest room (at the IETF-discounted room rate)
>>> was included in the IETF "Registration open" email.  This
>>> allowed people to reserve an IETF-hotel room (often a scarce
>>> resource) early, while deferring actually registering for the
>>> IETF.
>>> 
>>> Not including the hotel room link in the "Registration
>>> open" email appears to be an (understandable) ploy to get
>>> as many paid IETF registrations as early as possible.
> 
>> Last time early registration carried a much bigger  discount
>> than this time. That is my only real concern.
> 
> I'd add one.  With online meetings prior to the pandemic, the
> meeting page(s) listed alternate hotels and similar facilities
> in the vicinity of the venue, ones that had been at least
> minimally checked out in venue site visits.  Apparently, this
> time, not only is the main hotel not heavily discounted, but
> people looking for other options are apparently completely on
> their own.  I can guess at some of the reasons for the former,
> starting with lower and more uncertain attendee numbers but less
> so for the latter.


You're correct that pre-pandemic the IETF usually contracted with one or two additional local properties. Typically this was done to provide a less expensive alternative to the main IETF venue. However in more recent years we observed that these alternative venues were poorly-utilized and it was decided that the very minimal number of bookings did not justify the substantial amount of administrative effort required, except in those cases where the main room block was either very expensive, or insufficient in size.  

Happily, the IETF 114 meeting venue (Sheraton Philadelphia Downtown) has offered the IETF a very reasonable rate ($190 USD) so we expect that most people will opt to stay there, and accordingly we have a sizable room block. 

Finally, the hotel room discount that Behcet referred to was unique to Vienna, where the first 400 guest room reservations were at a highly discounted rate. It's highly unlikely that we will see something like that again.

Best,
Alexa

> 
>   john