Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your comments on ...

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 26 January 2009 22:16 UTC

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Paul Hoffman wrote:
> That list could be pre-populated with email addresses from all current IETF lists to which the "note well" has been sent.

Seems a bit silly to me. You're opting me in automatically to
some newish, demonstrably broken, IPR stuff? (5378 I mean.)
No thanks if that was your suggestion.

For me this isn't theoretic. We're doing a 3281bis right now. I
guess some of the text I contributed goes back a decade or more.
Two of the relevant employers I've had in that time are defunct,
with various bits having been sold to various other entities after
I left 'em. Last I knew one possibly relevant part had been bought
by the philanthropic sounding "Aquisitor Bermuda Inc." who just don't
sound like the kind of folks who want to waste their lawyer
guineas counting IETF angels on or off pins.

I will not be making any assertion about the rights to that text
that's very different from what was the case at the time. Even asking
me to do so is just plain dumb. I'd use another word for the
suggestion that it be the default.

My suggestion: new stuff - what 5378 wanted; old stuff: status quo
ante (pre-5378), and let whoever wants to use text outside the IETF
context and/or translations go figure out if they think they're in
the clear or not.

I also think words to that effect should be in all boilerplate
and shouldn't have to be selected or not by every user of xml2rfc.

Stephen.
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