Re: Last Call: <draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt> (The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC

[Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

I agree with much of what Peter Saint-Andre wrote.  In addition I
suggest the following changes:

  * I've been told by some that the Mission of the IETF is in some way
    out of date.  I don't know whether this is true, but if it is, the
    reference should be removed.
  * It's probably worth adding a word or two about the fact that the
    ISOC Board is the final appellate avenue in the standardization
    process.  In this way it may also make sense to move Section 3.2.1
    further back behind the IAB.
  * I don't know about anyone else, but my experience has changed with
    regard to there being a "fair amount of time for socializing".  I
    would say there is a modest amount of time for socializing.
  * The Tao mentions that we meet once a year in each region.  I don't
    think that's true for Asia at this point.  The text might call out
    that we meet where there are participants, or words that the IAOC
    might provide.
  * The last paragraph in Section 4 is outdated.  Everyone uses wireless
    these days– everywhere at nearly every meeting.
  * 4.12 really should be a top level section (moved further back).
  * Section 5 (Working Groups) really should be moved forward (after
    Section 3 but before what is now Section 4).
  * Move acknowledgments to the back.  As it stands that text forms a
    disconnect between the Intro and later sections.

Finally I have been told that the Tao is meant to be a living document,
e.g., a wiki.  Is that now not to be the case?

Eliot


On 5/31/12 12:56 AM, The IESG wrote:
> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider
> the following document:
> - 'The Tao of IETF: A Novice's Guide to the Internet Engineering Task
>    Force'
>   <draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt> as Informational RFC
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> The Tao of the IETF has grown a bit stale.  For example, many of the
> tasks that were requested by email are now done with online tools,
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>    This document describes the inner workings of IETF meetings and
>    Working Groups, discusses organizations related to the IETF, and
>    introduces the standards process.  It is not a formal IETF process
>    document but instead an informational overview.
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