Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last Call announcements and records]
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 17 October 2024 17:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last Call announcements and records]
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Rob Wilton \(rwilton\) <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Another choice, that perhaps could be considered, would be to initiate > the directorate reviews slightly earlier in the cycle. E.g., at the > point that the WG has said that is ready before publication but before > the AD has reviewed and agreed to publish. In fact, input from the > directorate reviews might be very helpful input to decide whether the > document is really ready to progress, or if there are significant > issues outstanding. Yes. This. (It's also when we could use an english editing pass.) > Of course, this might mean that a second follow up lighter directorate > review is needed to cover any changes that occurred between the initial > review and the version going before the IESG ballot, but if that second > review was focussed on the differences and issues raised previously > then I would have thought that the increase in workload on the > directorate would probably be fairly small, and hopefully manageable. > I.e., I am assuming that the second review would be assigned back to > the originate directorate reviewer. Yes. Sometimes getting that acknowledgement is rather difficult. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca> . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
- Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last Call… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … S Moonesamy
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Jean Mahoney
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Jean Mahoney
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Barry Leiba
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Loa Andersson
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Barry Leiba
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Mary B
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Michael Richardson
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … tom petch
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Michael Richardson
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Joel Halpern
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Michael Richardson
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Salz, Rich
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … John C Klensin
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Barry Leiba
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Telechat reviews [Re: Tooling glitch in Last … Rob Sayre