Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

[Keith Moore <[e-mail]>]

On 11/17/20 6:11 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 05:58:34PM -0500, Keith Moore wrote:
>> On 11/17/20 5:47 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
>>
>>> Whether those dates are returned by http or ftp, they're going to be
>>> trivially foreable
>> So are the dates in old email and usenet messages.  And yet, such dates are
>> routinely cited.
> Note that I said that this would be combined with the **sworn**
> testimony of the owner of said e-mail archive.
I assume you've also done some of this before.    As I understand it 
there are practical limits on the number of witnesses that can be 
called, some witnesses cannot be used because they've assisted other 
parties in the case, etc.   All I know is that I've had law firm clients 
ask for such dates and be willing to cite them.
>> (I don't claim to understand a court's or patent office's reasoning about
>> what makes a date valid or not valid - their logic is different than those
>> of engineers. )
> Yes, which is why it's not particularly a good argument for preserving
> FTP on IETF's servers.
>
> As others have said, most of the arguments on this are pretty weak on
> both the "pro" and "anti" side.

Well, I do have experience to draw from about this.   So I disagree.

Keith