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Re: BCP97bis a process problem

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 19 October 2021 21:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: BCP97bis a process problem
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com>, "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 20-Oct-21 00:26, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> I can think of two explanations.
>     >>
>     >> 1) the author is not familiar with the processes and thinks that I-D
>     >> Nits it ordering the author to reclassify the reference
>     >>
>     >> 2) the author is familiar with the processes and is trying to game the
>     >> system.
> 
>     > There's a possible 3rd explanation:
> 
>     > 3) the reference didn't need to be normative in the first place.
>     > I certainly saw that a number of times as a Gen-ART reviewer.
> 
> How can a third party point this out, unless they can read the document?
> The converse is worse: some informative reference that actually is normative,
> but only implementers two years later recognize this.

Well yes. That's exactly why, during my career as a Gen-ART reviewer, I tried
to pay attention to this whole issue. But there is scope for human error here,
so it's going to happen from time to time.

    Brian

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