Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps

"Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com> Fri, 26 December 2014 21:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps
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> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:25 AM, IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote:

I find the date, um, "interesting”. Personally, on December 25, I am involved with other activities. I note that my company generally makes financial announcements a few minutes after NASDAQ closes, and a variety of organizations make announcements when they think nobody is listening. Is the IETF...?

> PRINCIPLES
> 
> The IESG believes the re-organization should proceed according to the
> following principles:
> 
> 1) Agility: The IESG should be able to adapt as Internet engineering evolves.
> When work focus shifts and new technologies emerge, it is critical that the
> the IESG can follow the shift and effectively manage the new work.
> 
> 2) Relevance: The organization of the technical work must facilitate the
> IETF's continued relevance to the industry. As we change how we develop
> technology throughout the Internet, the IETF must be able to change how our
> standards development works with the technology development.
> 
> 3) Flexibility: The organization of the IESG and of the technical areas should
> accommodate variations in workloads, time commitments, and AD skillsets, as
> well as changes in those over time. It is important to make it possible for
> more IETF participants to be able to serve as Area Directors and to make the
> work co-exist with their normal jobs.
> 
> 4) Sustainability: The Area Director role should be a position that
> accomplished engineers aspire to and that employers want to support. We should
> emphasize the "steering" and "director" aspects, supporting and guiding the
> technical work in the working groups.

The principles make sense to me.

What I might suggest is that the IESG first wonder among itself whether it has the right areas. Deciding to blur the boundaries between them might work in the short term, but ultimately isn’t an organizing principle.

Suggesting that draft-whatever.all@tools.ietf.org should include every email address in the charter makes sense.