Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 12 December 2016 20:56 UTC
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see inline. A great summary, just one nit which might be relevant: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > WIthout revisiting the argument and various opinions about > motivations, the IESG concluded that the idea was just too > complicated and/or inappropriate and the idea when nowhere. In > retrospect, they might have been right. Or not. Either way, > the experience left many of us reluctant to start nibbling at > the issues again unless there was a comprehensive plan that the > IETF was willing to sing off on. My understanding was that a major reason NEWTRK could not reach consensus was that it realized that no proposal could attain IESG consensus and IETF consensus at the same time because: a) IESG people didn't have cycles to engage with the community. b) the people selected for the IESG (and who were successful) were the people who could operate well with the current rules. That is, the IESG suffered from a variation of the Innovator's Dilema. I think that a decade later things are mostly the same, but I think that the IESG members are generally much more self-aware about the need to reduce their I* workload so that they can engage in other things. {NEWTRK is approximately the same age as my son. I recall him being an infant at a NEWTRK dinner. And he is 11 now} -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Andrew G. Malis
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Erik Wilde
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Joel M. Halpern
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Heather Flanagan
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Joel M. Halpern
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Bob Hinden
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Jari Arkko
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Erik Wilde
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Erik Wilde
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Scott O. Bradner
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Scott O. Bradner
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Alia Atlas
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Michael Richardson
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Michael Richardson
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Scott O. Bradner
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- RE: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin
- RE: I-D Action: draft-wilde-updating-rfcs-00.txt John C Klensin