Re: Resignation request
Melchior Aelmans <melchior@aelmans.eu> Mon, 02 March 2020 21:02 UTC
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From: Melchior Aelmans <melchior@aelmans.eu>
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:02:42 +0100
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Subject: Re: Resignation request
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Cc: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>, SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>, ietf@ietf.org
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I won't just throw in a +1 ;) On the serious side; following this discussion closely, I have to agree that at the least it doesn't feel correct and as if this is the right way of operating. It might be correct from a procedure pov but it doesn't feel like it should go this way. Thanks Nick for wording it better :) Regards, Melchior On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:57 PM Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote: > Sander Steffann wrote on 02/03/2020 20:32: > > Steamrolling a draft through a working group completely undermines > > the whole idea of the IETF and greatly damages it trustworthiness and > > reliability. By bluntly declaring consensus despite all of the > > objections within two hours of the latest version of the draft being > > published I feel that Martin Vigoureux has lost the credibility as an > > AD. I strongly feel a resignation is in order at this point. > > There's been a really serious breach of due process here. The issues > that cropped up on around draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming are > subtle and not easily resolved. What is beginning to emerge as > consensus is that there are underlying problems with 8200 that need > examination and careful resolution. > > Frankly, it is rather difficult to see how the srv6 draft can progress > without this clarification. > > For sure there's no basis for someone to throw a couple of extra > sentences into a draft and then for an AD to declare consensus two hours > later - and before anyone's had the chance to even read the draft. > > At the very least, the consensus judgement needs to be rolled back. I > respectfully suggest that Martin needs to recuse himself from any > further involvement with this draft, and that he should consider whether > his actions are compatible with continuing to be an AD. > > Nick > >
- Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Fwd: Resignation request Fernando Gont
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Nick Hilliard
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Melchior Aelmans
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Ted Hardie
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: Resignation request Keith Moore
- Re: Resignation request Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Resignation request Stewart Bryant
- Re: Resignation request Loa Andersson
- Timeout Request: Was: Resignation request Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Resignation request Alex Bogdanov
- Fw: FW: [spring] Resignation request licong@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: Resignation request Nico Williams
- Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Warren Kumari
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Andrew Alston
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Fernando Gont
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter