Re: A contribution to ongoing terminology work

Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Mon, 05 April 2021 13:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: A contribution to ongoing terminology work
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 14:14:16 +0100
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Nico Williams wrote on 04/04/2021 21:16:
> Let's start with the offensiveness of Swift's "A Modest Proposal".  I
> read it yesterday.   It is extremely offensive.

It really isn't: it's clearly satire that was aimed at an inexcusable 
injustice.  The material difference between it and the recent Apr 1 IDs 
was that that the Apr 1 IDs took aim at a set of measures intended to 
deal with an injustice.

Anything can be lampooned, but when the subject of derision is the 
discriminated rather than the people or things doing the discriminating, 
then that can easily veer into tasteless humour territory, which is 
often hilarious until it isn't, at which point offense will be taken and 
terms such as "unprofessional" will be given an airing.  Which is where 
we we seem to have ended up.

Nick