Re: [dane] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey-07.txt> (Using DANE to Associate OpenPGP public keys with email addresses) to Experimental RFC
Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Tue, 09 February 2016 20:31 UTC
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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:30:58 +0000
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Subject: Re: [dane] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey-07.txt> (Using DANE to Associate OpenPGP public keys with email addresses) to Experimental RFC
To: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, ietf@ietf.org
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:07 AM Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2016, The IESG wrote: > > > The IESG has received a request from the DNS-based Authentication of > > Named Entities WG (dane) to consider the following document: > > - 'Using DANE to Associate OpenPGP public keys with email addresses' > > <draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey-07.txt> as Experimental RFC > > > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2016-02-22. Exceptionally, comments may > be > > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the > > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > <DANE chair hat> > As an author, I followed the directions of the WG with respect to the > lowercasing or not of the LHS. Consensus on the issue was very confusing > and changed multiple times, Good gods, yes. This was a contentious and confusing discussion, with many people talking past each other, many religious views, and a number of instances where the chairs procrastinated because we couldn't see a clear consensus. > and I do believe the chairs made a wrong > call at some point for calling for the removal of the LHS lowercasing. > Entirely possible. Determining consensus was tricky, and at least one of the chairs believed that LHS lowercasing was the right thing to do - we may have swung too far trying to avoid our biases. > > Without restarting the discussion here, I would like the IESG to take > a close look at whether or not to recommend that the document be changed > to do lowercasing of the LHS when possible. > Yes please! > > The implementation status section shows 3 implementations (2 written by > me, the third one being gnupg) that use a lowercase call in the > implementation. > I believe that many of us knew that this is what implementations would do, but there was a strong contingent pointing at documents saying that this was not allowed / violated chapter and verse. We (the chairs) are more than fine being told that we got this wrong... W </chair hat> > Paul > >
- Re: [dane] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey… Paul Wouters
- Re: [dane] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey… John C Klensin
- Re: [dane] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey… Warren Kumari