Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]>]

Hi Lou,


I was aware of the email you mention, and also the Committees page, but still fail to see the procedure and how the selection of the candidates was done in a way that allows the community to validate the IAOC decision, or even appeal it.

I will still think that the right way is to accommodate for more seats at the IAOC, as the workload can be better measured after 10 years than when it was designed.

Every time I try to find the minutes of the IAOC are too short, and if published too late and quite incomplete. I can’t see the qualifications of the volunteers of each committee in which the decision was based. So is that transparent?

Regards,
Jordi


-----Mensaje original-----
De: ietf <[e-mail]> en nombre de Lou Berger <[e-mail]>
Responder a: <[e-mail]>
Fecha: jueves, 17 de noviembre de 2016, 5:55
Para: "Scott O. Bradner" <[e-mail]>, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
CC: IAOC IAOC <[e-mail]>, IETF discussion list <[e-mail]>
Asunto: Re: [IAOC] question to the IAOC: new committee members

    For reference:
    
    https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg15684.html
    
    Which also points to https://iaoc.ietf.org/committees.html
    
    In looking at both,  the only thing not completely spelled out is
    something like:
        - ... Candidates are appointed based on the information they
    provide, and input received from the existing committee membership and
    chairs.  Appointment is finalized once the candidate confirm their
    willingness to serve and execute any required non-disclosure. Updated
    (and current) committee membership is then published to the community.
    
    Lou
    
    On 11/17/2016 4:38 AM, Scott O. Bradner wrote:
    > there was also a public call for volunteers (which is how we got the names)
    >
    > Scott
    >
    >> On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Jordi,
    >>
    >> It's very common for committees to appoint sub-committees, within their
    >> range of responsibilities, and for sub-committees to coopt experts.
    >>
    >> I am not in the least shocked by this; in fact given the expansion of
    >> the IASA's workload over the last 10 years it seems entirely normal
    >> to me. I don't think anything has been hidden, and of course the IAOC
    >> as a whole remains responsible for the work of IASA subcommittees,
    >> according to section 3.2 of RFC4071. Specifically "The IAOC's mission
    >> is not to be engaged in the day-to-day administrative work of the IASA,
    >> but rather to provide appropriate direction, oversight, and approval."
    >>
    >> Regards
    >>   Brian
    >>
    >> On 16/11/2016 23:38, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
    >>> All the IETF positions have rules to be selected, nomcom, etc., and there is a great transparency on the process.
    >>>
    >>> However today we discovered that new members have been selected for IAOC committees.
    >>>
    >>> What have been the rules/process for that?
    >>>
    >>> One of the questions that have been discussed several times is the lack of transparency from the IAOC, and clearly here we have a new demonstration of that.
    >>>
    >>> I hope there is a clear statement from IAOC explaining the process.
    >>>
    >>> If that not happens, what is the process to appeal that decision, so I can follow it?
    >>>
    >>> We as a community, in my opinion, can’t keep going with this lack of transparency.
    >>>
    >>> Regards,
    >>> Jordi
    >>>
    >>>
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