Re: 10 a.m.

[Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>]

My experience of this was that I heard at the plenary that it was popular
and that we would try it again, but did not hear a proposal for when
(although I may be misremembering that).   And then when I found out about
it on the agenda, it was news to me.   And I'd bought my tickets assuming a
9am meeting start time and assuming I wouldn't be able to make the last
meeting on Friday, and then realized I wouldn't be able to stay for the
whole first meeting either.

So on the one hand, I think this was pre-discussed.   But on the other
hand, the messaging wasn't sufficiently effective _for me_.   I just looked
in the registration announcement and the "meeting information"
announcement, and there's nothing there.   The first I noticed it was when
I looked at the preliminary agenda.

I am painfully well acquainted with the vicissitudes of IESG life, so I
feel it would be churlish to point fingers, but I will say that if we do
this again, the information should be at the top of both those
announcements in large, friendly letters.


On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Tim Chown <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I share Brian’s concern on this.
>
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:10, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> In Buenos Aires, the dinner times are substantially later and the schedule
> was
> adjusted to accommodate local conditions.  There was a lot of positive
> feedback
> about the later starting time.
>
>
> Was this one of the questions in the post-meeting survey, and if so what
> was the result?
>
> I'm sure you remember the Paris meeting where the IETF tried a different
> evening
> schedule & it was very popular.
>
> So, in response to the feedback and as an experiment, the starting time is
> later.
> I believe Alexa included that this was an experiment in announcements.
>
>
> I’m not against experiments, but I don’t recall any open list discussion
> on conducting it, which would have been nice to have, or did that happen?
>
> Tim
>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Where do I find the discussion and subsequent rough consensus to switch
>> the
>> starting time of the IETF f2f meeting days to 10 a.m.?
>>
>> As far as I'm concerned that is a big mistake, wasting an hour every day
>> and making it (even more) difficult to relax in the evenings.
>>
>> (If there is some local peculiarity in Buenos Aires and Berlin that makes
>> this more practical, it would be interesting to know.)
>>
>> Regards
>>    Brian
>>
>>
>
>