IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: What real users think [was: Re: pgp signing in van]

Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Mon, 09 September 2013 23:25 UTC

Return-Path: <hallam@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1008B21F9ADA for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90QKbRY1xTjv for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:25:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lb0-x22a.google.com (mail-lb0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22a]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF5821F9AA8 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w7so5721752lbi.1 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2t8tsQwb5SqqF5gJZ+dKN/bJrkTFuarwfHwevgRHdvY=; b=QiODtsHU8kj6LxF3wsmvBJu6ZDO/3Y5/zFocEzcHrkm/5juxoND8RVTE8hyvU2OGZN aV4rItEqCu4hdtkAZk3d3Izumm7mWJrlzDogEYAK6tVVolyW2axXUyQvDQPDotD40GnA FEQOjG1uZLmiiK7E3ysnwJ3Ix82mZXGI7Q4YAU4hZ6SUbUiEASOu0Sy4HUHy1AucleSJ /RK14tK2I+Q4cvXX2Q/LADL8HVrmdt+Yqh61HzYxLqxc800i66+9lJtQAXv7mJVSW4j6 kek+1IrEJCUbuzbi0h/Cvzea07uPvgnbw7rYP0gjIrrlWdPcXa0G7e7sjpX4AHyZ7fpz HLHQ==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.152.115.176 with SMTP id jp16mr18478496lab.17.1378769118501; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.112.148.165 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <F17097BC-AAD6-48EA-80D3-202DC45F7C70@shinkuro.com>
References: <m2zjrq22wp.wl%randy@psg.com> <2309.1378487864@sandelman.ca> <522A5A45.7020208@isi.edu> <CA2A6416-7168-480A-8CE1-FB1EB6290C77@nominum.com> <522A71A5.6030808@gmail.com> <6DE840CA-2F3D-4AE5-B86A-90B39E07A35F@nominum.com> <CAPv4CP_ySqyEa57jUocVxX6M6DYef=DDdoB+XwmDMt5F9eGn1A@mail.gmail.com> <18992.1378676025@sandelman.ca> <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B63077527BC7A@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> <13787.1378730617@sandelman.ca> <8D23D4052ABE7A4490E77B1A012B63077527C8AB@mbx-01.win.nominum.com> <522E2AE4.6010908@gmail.com> <522E2C78.4050706@dcrocker.net> <F17097BC-AAD6-48EA-80D3-202DC45F7C70@shinkuro.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 19:25:18 -0400
Message-ID: <CAMm+LwgSMpdYOd2mtVF-fC=DJijbyFBt1FNmLVsEYK8ejR2Lww@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What real users think [was: Re: pgp signing in van]
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
To: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c35096891e6704e5fbb32b"
Cc: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 23:25:21 -0000

On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> wrote:

> Actually, I interpret the chemistry professor's comment in a different
> light.  It would be possible to design a system where:
>
> o the standard end user software doesn't facilitate editing the other
> person's text, and
>
> o each piece of text is signed.
>
> The result would be a system where a recipient would know whether the
> person who is alleged to have written a piece of the message actually did
> so, and the normal mode of use would be to leave things untouched.  Or, if
> you edit someone else's text, it immediately becomes your text.
>
> Steve


Believe it or not Ted Nelson had a similar idea when he invented Xanadu
Hypertext. He was obsessed by copyright and the notion that it would be
wrong to copy someone else's text to another machine, hence the need for
links.


-- 
Website: http://hallambaker.com/

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email