Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Bangkok

Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Tue, 15 May 2018 15:09 UTC

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From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 10:09:00 -0500
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Subject: Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Bangkok
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On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

> Replying to the thread in general rather than any one message: most of the
> responses so far have been focusing on perceived efficacy of informal
> meetings on Friday (which is good feedback, although I suspect it will be
> better informed after the experiment is run).
>
> I have yet to see any comments on the fact that we have O(30) working
> groups ask not to be scheduled on Fridays every single meeting. One of my
> personal hopes for this experiment is that we learn whether we can avoid
> these requests (and the consequent scheduling complications, which are
> non-trivial) by simply removing the broadly unwanted Friday slots from
> consideration altogether.
>
> I am curious if anyone has thoughts about how this particular scheduling
> difficulty can be addressed beyond what we might learn from the Bangkok
> experiment.
>
>
It seems like the experiment will go ahead :-)

My suggestion is:
either treat Friday as a regular work day and put complete scheduling on
that day. I don't think companies treat Fridays special, you work on Friday
like any other day, right?



or completely make it off. Now we are including Saturday in the meeting
days and starting to eat up from the other side to make up for it, isn't
that strange?


Regarding flight times, if the meeting is overseas, airline companies want
you to stay one week, usually from Saturday/Sunday to next Saturday. So in
Bangkok, I am going to have to stay on Friday in order to get a cheaper
flight.

Why not get back to the good old Sunday-Friday schedule?

Behcet

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