Re: The ecosystem is moving

Dave Crocker <> Fri, 13 May 2016 17:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: The ecosystem is moving
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On 5/13/2016 10:32 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> I have to agree with Martin's general conclusions here: using XMPP is
> really hard, both as an end-user and as a provider.   I am able to get
> it working about one out of every three IETFs.  The sticky wicket tends
> to be finding a place that will both host my XMPP account _and_
> interoperate with the IETF's XMPP server.
> Why doesn't the IETF just operate an XMPP server on which IETF
> participants can get accounts?   Layer 9, or is it just really hard?

Yes, but...

The IETF is supposed to be about interoperability.  If XMPP has on-going 
utility problems with interoperability, the IETF should look for ways to 
fix them.

To date, we really only have two services that demonstrate open (ie, 
multi-administration) interoperability at Internet scale:  email and DNS.

After this many years, that's sad.



   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking