IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Thu, 07 March 2013 18:33 UTC

Return-Path: <hartmans@mit.edu>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC7321F8A9B for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:33:06 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -102.547
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ulzrUjKYwBEU for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF90C21F8A11 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:33:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (c-98-216-0-82.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [98.216.0.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E10E120183; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:32:53 -0500 (EST)
Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 419E541CE; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:32:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
To: David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com>
Subject: Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director
References: <5134F720.5010507@cisco.com> <tsl1ubvlywt.fsf@mit.edu> <CAHBDyN6AM-_b2HMrmmQQVuhxFc-_Rfpfg0=r38mkcJ4zqoJeTw@mail.gmail.com> <tslr4julxmh.fsf@mit.edu> <1C1C0842-BF6A-4A3F-A312-35CF0A994793@lilacglade.org> <BDCCFB12-1F2C-44BD-867A-92E5745F3D39@vigilsec.com> <7B6FDB89-F360-45B6-8240-F2F9F81ABAA7@vigilsec.com> <9292FB65-9842-4C95-9284-15F1E9ECEE1D@lilacglade.org> <5138AE1F.5080602@neclab.eu> <tsl6213p67w.fsf@mit.edu> <20130307182406.GR2854@nsn.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:32:59 -0500
In-Reply-To: <20130307182406.GR2854@nsn.com> (David Kessens's message of "Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:24:06 -0800")
Message-ID: <tslk3pjm55w.fsf@mit.edu>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Cc: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, Martin Stiemerling <martin.stiemerling@neclab.eu>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:33:06 -0000

>>>>> "David" == David Kessens <david.kessens@nsn.com> writes:

    David> Sam,

    David> Can we please stop the hairsplitting ?

    David> It is not the IESG's fault if you feel that the nomcom is
    David> taking the IESG input as absolute software style
    David> 'requirements' as opposed to often more lightly interpreted
    David> 'job requirements' as desirable from the IESG's
    David> perspective. Please take that message to the nomcom if you
    David> wish.

I don't think there is hair splitting going on here; I think the issues
that are being raised are quite real and important.  It's not the IESG's
fault if the nomcom does x.  It is the IESG's fault if the IESG takes on
tasks delegated to the nomcom in RFC 3777.  As you are aware, I have
taken concerns I believe are best handled by the IAB and nomcom to the
IAB and nomcom.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email