Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF mailing list password reminder emails
Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> Sun, 03 November 2013 11:55 UTC
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 06:55:28 -0500
From: Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net>
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Subject: Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF mailing list password reminder emails
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I like the occasional reminders, especially for list that are older and lesser to no mail. I hardly use the password stuff myself, so its just more of a reminder of the list subscriptions. There are a few that have no mail and it helps to get an reminder of the list you are subscribed too. In fact, I had switched mailers and it helped me the other day to see a reminder of a list to create a filter rule to move it its own folder. If anything, lets not allow a 'technical detail' be the path of least resistance, i.e. just globally turning it off for all. One solution is to make it optional (off by default) at the subscription level (per user), if not already there (but its on by default). Change the script to every 2-4 months and spread out the load. One small but big point I think, not everyone here is an "IETF regular." The "weekend IETF warriors" need these electronic reminders of their participation and whats happening in the IETF. So while it may be seen as "waste" to the regular folks, it is useful for others too. Anyway, solve the technical problem -- we are good at that.... I think. :) -- HLS On 11/2/2013 8:19 PM, Chris Griffiths wrote: > Hello, > > The IAOC would like to solicit feedback from the community to see if there are any concerns with having the Secretariat turn off the monthly mailing list password reminders for the IETF mailing lists going forward. Due to an ever increasing community size as well as new mailing lists being added to the mailman servers over time, we see a large amount of mail at the beginning of every month that is causing some delays to email delivery during this time period in order to send out mass email subscription and password reminders to the community. Since Mailman has the ability to do on-demand requests for password reset and subscription information for each mailing list, there is an alternative method to the current bulk sending of subscription information that the community can use. > > We are planning to raise this at the Admin plenary on Wednesday at IETF 88 in Vancouver, but we would like to get your feedback on this issue. > > Thank you > > Chris Griffiths > IAOC Chair > -- HLS
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF mail… Chris Griffiths
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … John Levine
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Carsten Bormann
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Riccardo Bernardini
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … t.p.
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Hector Santos
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Arturo Servin
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Rich Kulawiec
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Sandy Wills
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Paul Wouters
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … David Morris
- Re: [IAOC] Community Feedback: Turning off monthl… Chris Griffiths
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … John Levine
- Re: Community Feedback: Turning off monthly IETF … Livingood, Jason
- List processing capacity (was Re: Community Feedb… Dave Crocker
- Re: List processing capacity (was Re: Community F… Livingood, Jason
- Re: List processing capacity (was Re: Community F… Chris Griffiths
- Re: List processing capacity (was Re: Community F… Dave Crocker
- Re: List processing capacity (was Re: Community F… Chris Griffiths