Re: IAOC Request for community feedback

Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> Tue, 23 October 2012 19:27 UTC

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On 10/23/2012 12:21 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>     > From: Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us>
> 
>     > It is neither safe, nor appropriate, to assume that the subset of
>     > people humming about this issue overlaps sufficiently with the subset
>     > that hummed about establishing the procedure to justify this decision.
> 
> What, we can't change a procedure unless the set of people who previously
> OK'd it now agree to change it? I don't think so. A hum is a hum is a hum.

You're not proposing a change in procedure. You're proposing to ignore
one. Those are entirely different things.

You've also snipped out the entire portion of my message where I talked
about actually changing the procedure, and why that may actually be a
good thing. I can't tell if you're deliberately trying to confuse the
issue by arguing against a straw-man that I did not actually propose, or
if you just didn't understand what I wrote previously. If the latter I
apologize, and would be happy to clarify if necessary.

Doug