Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

Randal Atkinson <rja.lists@gmail.com> Thu, 02 February 2017 15:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100
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> On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July 2018 in SF. I don't think it's even possible
> to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most airlines wouldn't do such pre-sale). So, it's pretty
> much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with causing no loss to anyone's already-made plans.

The claim above that "most airlines won’t sell 6 months in advance" is false.  

Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service international airlines, start selling tickets 
at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an itinerary.  

To my knowledge, there are some people who already have purchased tickets to go to IETF in SFO.  
This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost fares often sell-out earliest.  A number of
IETF people don’t work for big companies and are traveling on their own money.   Those people
would suffer greatly from a change in location less than 12 months out.

I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more remote meetings.  I think that is worth
exploring. 

I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings more accessible remotely  — and I think 
that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for some years now, using Jabber, VTC, 
and so forth.  Expanding the remote access capabilities and coverage for all future meetings 
(to the extent that is practical at a given point in time) only makes sense.

Yours,

Ran