Options for IETF administrative restructuring
Leslie Daigle <leslie@thinkingcat.com> Thu, 26 August 2004 21:18 UTC
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Subject: Options for IETF administrative restructuring
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Hello, IETF community. Attached is the document we promised you in San Diego - a report from our consultant, Carl Malamud, which lays out a series of options and recommendations for moving forward with the IETF administrative restructuring process, according to the recommendations laid out in RFC3716 (the Advisory Committee report). It has been submitted to the Internet Drafts repository and should be showing up there shortly. Some important things to note: THIS IS NOT A DOCUMENT TO BE READ IN ISOLATION. Minimally, reviewing the Advisory Committee report (RFC3716) is necessary to understand the context of the proposals laid out in this draft. THIS IS NOT YET AN IETF DECISION. That will be taken later, based on your input and IETF rough consensus. THIS IS NOT THE IESG/IAB's RECOMMENDATION. Our recommendation will come later, based on your input and the evolution of our thinking. THIS IS NOT AN ISOC POSITION. The document describes potential relationships of the IETF administrative activity and ISOC. However, the document is written as a proposal for IETF discussion -- the ISOC Board has not been asked to formulate a position on supporting one or any of these proposals; we need to have that discussion as it becomes clearer what the IETF wants in its future. This IS, however, the culmination of many, many hours of information gathering and a near-infinite number of conversations by Carl Malamud, attempting to give the best basis on which the IETF could make a decision that he could within the timeframe given. We encourage all interested IETF participants to read the report most carefully, and give feedback on it - on the IETF list for public discussion, directly to Carl or the IETF and IAB chairs if you want to make off-list comments. FURTHER STEPS The next steps in this process depend on the community feedback and whether we can gauge a consensus of the IETF on this mailing list. What we think is reasonable so far is: - Have a public discussion on the IETF list on the options presented in the draft - By early September, the IESG and IAB will attempt to distill a set of recommendations that we think capture a reasonable consensus of the community, and publish this as an internet-draft, which will be revised over the next month, possibly several times, based on further discussions - By late September, we emit a Last Call on this set of recommendations, if we deem that we have a reasonable consensus for the proposals - By late October, if the IETF community still shows consensus, we will declare that we have a decision, and will start executing based on that decision. In order to be able to move rapidly when we go into the "execution" phase, we may initiate some activities of a "fact-finding" nature - such as investigating possible suppliers of services and candidates for the positions we envisage filling - before that, but irrevocable decisions will await IETF consensus. Please read the attachment - please comment - please THINK. While this in itself should not change the IETF standards process at all, support functions are important to the IETF. We need to take the time to get this one right. Leslie and Harald. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Reality: Yours to discover." -- ThinkingCat Leslie Daigle leslie@thinkingcat.com -------------------------------------------------------------------
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- Options for IETF administrative restructuring Leslie Daigle
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring John C Klensin
- Options for IETF administrative restructuring Leslie Daigle
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Leslie Daigle
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Paul Vixie
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Venue selection (Re: Options for IETF administrat… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Venue selection (Re: Options for IETF adminis… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Venue selection (Re: Options for IETF adminis… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: Venue selection (Re: Options for IETF adminis… Michael Richardson
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Brian E Carpenter
- What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adminis… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Christian de Larrinaga
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Susan Harris
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Carl Malamud
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Susan Harris
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Leslie Daigle
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Dean Anderson
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Dean Anderson
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… scott bradner
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring scott bradner
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… avri
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Steve Crocker
- Budget numbers (Re: What to incorporate) Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Legal umbrella etc (Re: What to incorporate) Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Legal umbrella etc (Re: What to incorporate) Dean Anderson
- Re: What to incorporate (Re: Options for IETF adm… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Aaron Falk
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring graham.travers
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Eliot Lear
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring graham.travers
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring avri
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring John C Klensin
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Pete Resnick
- Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF administrat… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring avri
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… Pete Resnick
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… scott bradner
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Sam Hartman
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… Paul Vixie
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… Carl Malamud
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Aaron Falk
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Sam Hartman
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Leslie Daigle
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Steve Crocker
- RE: Options for IETF administrative restructuring Fred Baker
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… John C Klensin
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Explosive bolts [Re: Options for IETF adminis… Lynn St.Amour
- There is no proposal on the table for *IETF* inco… Pete Resnick
- Re: There is no proposal on the table for *IETF* … Margaret Wasserman
- Re: There is no proposal on the table for *IETF* … Lynn St.Amour
- Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring John C Klensin
- ISOC board meeting comes AFTER IETF meeting this … Steve Crocker