Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists

Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Mon, 14 April 2014 22:06 UTC

Return-Path: <dave@cridland.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C44F1A0737 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:06:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.378
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tsESmgMKGTsB for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AF21A0730 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id wn1so2314782obc.18 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cridland.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N4JGZN2mbxgHq7aVu2/Pki9HLQ5r6yfo/UE3eCy3IBY=; b=ZljmgEXMevNDA8g9H+VzwLN7iC6aSkS3eqXD/0vwxy7DTc9xJ7DjcJx/0Snk1xJPDy MHZ9ehiqVUR+Cf8QiC0TRNBrl26F2olwB9vVZo4kds/BKKoIUzX2tok3GAyHL000c2ZO MAoFl9lX5DbQs0hEKZ1FmuY55tXTXb/w8dz1U=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=N4JGZN2mbxgHq7aVu2/Pki9HLQ5r6yfo/UE3eCy3IBY=; b=DK4meyIHmJscst8d4AcQ3VtHBrC5XCLt35oIU9LBgVOfQC8K7bkMvPu4l5fkPGdqjF 02a4H12ONe+RHjx1w2Qhq37KtgcQJ2MGQS4YYVqmPJmedU6Nr80zmqb8XRU0+0kC1aS8 vmqI8/6iiTqpcIyNeQmCZbsU/+uS92lLl1KZ1LYpmxMx7cZ84F/thf023LXjKPrzNlvd gr07f6XjnGIy32J9IQGRRCKvoDsst6yHqY+fin+cl02PNQiwGiRoq2PipXcDS1ZaxI/N x6lBtVM/dUbRvSg0VFWMPZ6w5/2zk0kNlS8bkEXsESk41wisEfcDoAkPLraBWKH/58u8 ieVA==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm/Bo553DWJTPBmdpeT0hcF66xqlgrQaRbAT4T3cokKTfADuWUV+uF6PPXIh0WjtIPoXEWH
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.60.76.194 with SMTP id m2mr4230547oew.47.1397513184890; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.60.93.6 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <534C565B.9090501@meetinghouse.net>
References: <53499A5E.9020805@meetinghouse.net> <5349A261.9040500@dcrocker.net> <5349AE35.2000908@meetinghouse.net> <5349BCDA.7080701@gmail.com> <01P6L9JZF5SC00004W@mauve.mrochek.com> <CAKW6Ri5f5KZyJeL7RTG2T000Qd+t61KCofNmG2JZv+nKi94Uug@mail.gmail.com> <534C0078.3070808@meetinghouse.net> <CAKW6Ri6OUmxGaBOGR2hoWpDOGWsVQ9tQ2Q9ogkT5wzFhFJLBbQ@mail.gmail.com> <534C2262.1070507@meetinghouse.net> <CAL0qLwb5p_V3i-NGhKJZBeO0qKHm1xiAq1E3nYkBzVUAXkRPpQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAKW6Ri5HWMaGMa_oLKwq5fzSUzJG=jAL1qojY1i6_tibEAxq8w@mail.gmail.com> <534C4912.9010705@gmail.com> <534C565B.9090501@meetinghouse.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 23:06:24 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKHUCzxiQhEm7bCoMMh6ceOgmjbTtnHBoQGohP7HO5Vh=+XAyg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists
From: Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>
To: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cea6f4641704f707e47b
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/hqhjLKz3TzUm38rIHVrFlg0Pc9c
Cc: IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:06:31 -0000

On 14 April 2014 22:42, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:

> Big red disclaimer at the top then:
> - THIS IS A DRAFT DISCUSSION MEMO
> - THIS IS NOT A STANDARDS-TRACK SPECIFICATION
> - THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT SUBMISSION, NOT AN IETF DOCUMENT
> - SHOULD NOT BE USED AS THE BASIS FOR OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENT OF PROTOCOL
> SOFTWARE
>
>
It doesn't matter. The fact that DMARC is an I-D at all is largely
incidental.

If Yahoo had privately developed DMARC in a consortium under entirely
different practice and operational rules than the IETF, where any
participants in their mailing lists would have no clue how their
contributions might be used, and without any review by the IETF as a whole,
and then that consortium had published the result as an I-D, it'd be
exactly the same situation as we are now.

Dave.