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Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> Mon, 16 March 2020 17:08 UTC

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From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>
CC: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: United Nations report on Internet standards
Thread-Topic: United Nations report on Internet standards
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 17:08:46 +0000
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>> In an organization as open as the IETF, newcomers will inherently represent a wide range of skills.

Thats another thing, "newcomers", the idea is the most important in this case, you can spend 3 years waiting for a solution then you find it from a newcomer, thats should be appreciated and applied in a professional way, but not to ignore it for some fears of skills jumping, there are so long list of ideas that could take decades to apply :D

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Khaled Omar
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From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 6:49:05 PM
To: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>
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Subject: Re: United Nations report on Internet standards

On 16 Mar 2020, at 9:14, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Ok, I'm just relaying the message: participating in IETF activities as
> a non-engineer, just to notice and raise a hand when something will
> have non-technical impact (it's unclear how, since non-engineers would
> hardly understand the content of the messages), is seen as an almost
> impossible proposition - basically, as an euphemism for "the IETF is
> not interested in what anyone else thinks".

That is not relaying the message from the report; it is adding your own
opinion. Certainly some people agree with your opinion, but many others
may not. The report says that they did not get cooperation from the IETF
in preparing the report, but that's completely different than what you
say above about the report.

> And actually it is hard to participate even for engineers, unless they
> spend several years in a learning curve.

Those of us who have worked with IETF novices have heard the opposite
from many new participants. Some might take "several years", other jump
in at their first meeting or even just on their first mailing list. In
an organization as open as the IETF, newcomers will inherently represent
a wide range of skills.

--Paul Hoffman

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