Re: [IAB] IAB statement on the NETmundial Initiative

Seth Johnson <seth.p.johnson@gmail.com> Fri, 05 December 2014 06:33 UTC

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:32:09 -0500
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Subject: Re: [IAB] IAB statement on the NETmundial Initiative
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
> I think one key aspect will be that the
> activity has to cover ground that the other activities not only aren't
> covering, but can't easily expand to cover.


A lesson learned.  But for all of us, the good thing is at least that
now there's a new chance to proceed properly.  NMI had to discover
this piece of hubris for itself. (Of course it's not clear yet we will
proceed in a better way.)


Seth


> Anyway, hope this helps.
>
> Eliot
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am a little confused by this proposal.
>>
>> The statement of principles seems relatively unobjectionable. But
>> there seems to be rather less information on specific objectives and
>> virtually none on how those objectives would be achieved.
>>
>> There is a proposal for a council but no information on how the
>> members are to be appointed or what the source or scope of their
>> authority will be.
>>
>> There are three questions of power: How did you get it? Whose
>> interests do you serve when you use it? and How do we get rid of you?
>> I don't see answers to any of those questions in the documents
>> provided.
>
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