Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages
Will McAfee <hextic@gmail.com> Thu, 14 July 2011 16:38 UTC
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From: Will McAfee <hextic@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:37:49 -0400
To: Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
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They don't have legal value, period. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote: > On 14/Jul/11 03:48, John Levine wrote: >>> Yes, and perhaps disclaimers/confidentiality notices should be >>> standardized with their own MIME type to make automatic processing >>> easier so receivers of this kind of notice (mailing-list or other) >>> can respect the wishes of the sender. >> >> That respect would of course be demonstrated by rejecting or >> discarding the mail unread, to avoid any possibility that it could >> fall into the wrong hands. > > Yes, with the possible exception of recipients deploying a Treacherous > Computing environment that includes checks against forwarding or > replying with non fair use quotations of confidential messages. > >> PS: Perhaps I should propose a revised RFC 5617 adding dkim=confidential. > > One can sign the "Sensitivity" header field defined by RFC 2156. It > can have the values "Personal" / "Private" / "Company-Confidential". > > However, I received some messages bearing a confidentiality notice but > missing this field entirely. Even the TC system above could hardly > cope with such inconsistent settings. Do notices still retain any > legal value in such cases? > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Marc Petit-Huguenin
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- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Dave Cridland
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Martin Rex
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages John Levine
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages John Levine
- RE: Confidentiality notices on email messages Michel Py
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Michael Richardson
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Dave CROCKER
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Michael Richardson
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Will McAfee
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Will McAfee
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Randall Gellens
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages John C Klensin
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Barry Leiba
- RE: Confidentiality notices on email messages Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Wes Hardaker
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages David Morris
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages ned+ietf
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Donald Eastlake
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages John Levine
- RE: Confidentiality notices on email messages Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Nathaniel Borenstein
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Wes Hardaker
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Richard Kulawiec
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages ned+ietf
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Nathaniel Borenstein
- Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages Harald Alvestrand