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Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org> Thu, 25 February 2021 20:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
From: Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org>
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>
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On 2/25/21 12:40 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>     This is not the first "proposal" associated with diversity (in this
>      case, engagin open source developers) with not much of a rationale
>      behind it :-) , so to speak...
> 
> The rationale is that there are millions of people using GitHub, and if do documents with their toolchain, we will get more feedback from developers than if we tried to draw them into our toolchain.  I didn't realize that was what you were asking me.  This rationale was stated multiple times in the GIT WG.
> 
> Marc:
>> What I saw is the opposite:  Open source developers were already working with the IETF, and some of them shoved GitHub down our throats.
> 
> Interesting viewpoint.  Did you attend any of the WG meetings?  I didn't see your name in the mailing list archives.

Of the gendispatch WG meetings?  No.  I was responding to the email in ietf@


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