Re: Consultation on *revised* IETF LLC Draft Strategic Plan 2020

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sat, 06 June 2020 02:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: Consultation on *revised* IETF LLC Draft Strategic Plan 2020
To: Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
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On 06/06/2020 03:14, Jay Daley wrote:
> The only two elements of the draft strategy that I am aware of you 
> still objecting to are
> 
> - the linkage to IESG/IRSG/IAB strategy; and - the participant 
> journey

The phrasing above indicates I've not explained my
objections clearly I guess. I've argued that there
really cannot be an "IESG strategy" and that the
use of the "journey" phrase is either waffle or else
over-reach. I don't therefore object to "the linkage
to X" where X is a non-existent thing. (Well, other
than it being an irritant on a purist logical basis:-)
I do object to "the LLC will extrapolate to decide what
that non-existent IESG strategy ought be" as I've tried
to explain, as that is what the latest text says. (I did
also suggest alternate wording to which I got no
response.)

> 
> (Notwithstanding your initial objection to the concept of the LLC 
> having a strategy framed this way)

My initial objection was not to how text was framed but
to the assumption that the LLC decide how to call consensus
on this. I continue to see that as a problem that has not
seen a response from the IESG.

> It would be very helpful if you could point to those other elements 
> of the draft strategy where the role of the IESG in calling
> consensus needs clarification.
Now I'm confused. I think my objections above are
sufficient and don't see why more are needed. If you
wanted to say that you have disregarded my objections
and are only willing to discuss if I find more then
saying that would be clearer;-)

S.