Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 07 March 2021 17:22 UTC

Return-Path: <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDB43A199E for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:22:11 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.918
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fsFAmEcJIJVz for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:22:10 -0800 (PST)
Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39D083A199D for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 09:22:09 -0800 (PST)
Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04A3365A for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 12:22:05 -0500 (EST)
Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 07 Mar 2021 12:22:06 -0500
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=IKt2isNEZu05dieb2NBtWKkup53Z2Afq/lNhKwYu9 gc=; b=r3feWh6BgjAJ1U90Nler6/fOldQTZF8HP+jktMuRTMO8EWvKlPgHDf+Vd h5wIbAWy5Q1ulABtn5NcgWcUTUFb24VCQMD7NiEEPz7byWnF+xcsXA+PvX/F5eyG qjY1aQkSKT/yvgTg/PJxSYxiRoCCZv8U2IAKJqDNPWXK9Ij60Y+luYiq5Xytz4Oi 0wUKHpfJlWsWVL9q7jlQBSc+SLxZ4uuiWO1CrTXxSSubsOAGJsvL1UXPbSNykCGP 7rqATpUXY9Lehal9k6riXRVFAGpnAcYPRrjAxkfJ2P6IuQe68Em6JFtVXaMEdQSi S54oTKAF1/FLVLn1+LIru8t/yIG9Q==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:vAtFYDFBtSswBwU_3Lm7hui4WEvU4cccSKL3FLp4Hh5Z_cibxU6YGA> <xme:vAtFYAXk4FNgnTPWv4CHRKk7wmbIMGEwmQUxxxdy8pbQI7CjvqhqUOY5si2Npwex4 R6Z6PPgli_ghQ>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledruddutddgkeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtke ertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefmvghithhhucfoohhorhgvuceomhhoohhrvgesnhgvthif ohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeehhfeutdehfe fgfefghfekhefguefgieduueegjeekfeelleeuieffteefueduueenucfkphepuddtkedr vddvuddrudektddrudehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomhepmhhoohhrvgesnhgvthifohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhm
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:vAtFYFLsmUWTt1S11QDvEO-EjlCdw6ibcKdsNKfeANrum3AFnHkkiQ> <xmx:vAtFYBG3Vin4JDocIti6LdXPtXA_oqPawwJnHVQkQK2ggW6lFnm83Q> <xmx:vAtFYJX8VEAeSuD7vK1gzthhO7ViG_aaGX6txTEo_3mw8M4I3gfO0g> <xmx:vQtFYOUhylWvN3YDK7KpqTJGeYMHITntnlbJJRb3Gh8FpX-fzcs5kA>
Received: from [192.168.1.90] (108-221-180-15.lightspeed.knvltn.sbcglobal.net [108.221.180.15]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 964221080067 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 7 Mar 2021 12:22:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: IETF LLC & IETF Participation from USA-sanctioned countries
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <4619acc8-1ed4-52e8-849b-bfda9de61bb0@gont.com.ar> <20210303221433.ufsitioimata4dtg@crankycanuck.ca> <4739AA0B-95BA-48C8-A17D-730EAF547F55@gmail.com> <20210304155203.n5cfd3kmu2fpgdrt@crankycanuck.ca> <4FCD1F07-6DE9-402F-AFD3-A3C42F3D0ACF@cisco.com> <5a221b8f-73d8-037d-9b4f-f51a9c54e3bd@network-heretics.com> <20210304195744.jbgzpjlegbogmxu4@crankycanuck.ca> <dc91126f-59e8-e2f0-213c-e622b8ea0aa5@network-heretics.com> <25E6DFA6-C70D-4094-AC8C-19E0DBD46AEE@cisco.com> <54fd914c-a95c-2cef-658a-1bcd5e9e47a6@network-heretics.com> <eaf1cf64-83bb-88f4-5673-de73d5038ded@si6networks.com> <31743.1615133499@localhost>
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Message-ID: <7f457f48-197e-1c01-674e-1701a029e115@network-heretics.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 12:22:03 -0500
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <31743.1615133499@localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/i_cH9TMXL1nOel3_JlYLZhIRx0Q>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:22:12 -0000

On 3/7/21 11:11 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:

>      > * Are participants from sanctioned countries or organizations allowed
>      > to participate in mailing-list discussions, and e.g. publish
>      > Internet-Drafts, or RFCs?
>
> I suspect that we won't like the answer, so maybe we shouldn't ask the
> question :-)

No, we need to know, even if we won't like the answer, and even if we 
can't change the situation.    Far too much prejudice is perpetuated by 
those kinds of taboos.