Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> Mon, 30 January 2017 17:44 UTC
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From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:44:08 -0500
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Subject: Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
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There is already an ISOC blog. https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2017/01/message-internet-society-president-and-ceo-kathy-brown On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> wrote: > On 1/30/2017 11:53 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > >> On 1/30/17 7:30 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> >>> but sadly, i do not think the ietf has the guts and the vision to even >>> do what an organization such as the iacr, crypto assn which has long >>> experience with real politik etc. has done, [ ... ] >>> >> Over the years it has become clear that being a consensus-oriented >> organization with a diverse participation makes it impossible for >> the IETF to make statements like this. It would need to come from the >> chair, the IAB chair, or the I*. (Yes, I think this is a problem) >> >> Melinda >> >> >> >> > To be fair, the IACR, ACM etc are professional organizations; we the IETF > are not. Professional organizations (cf your state bar association, the > American Medical Association and the like) are all about standardizing > people, not things. As such, they are more able to come up with a > consistent public message. > > To expect us to be able to behave like one of them without a restructuring > to become one of them is probably wishful thinking. Becoming one of them > would probably be detrimental to our main mission of improving the internet. > > We are associated with two organizations that are, by charter, mostly > outward facing: the IAB and the ISOC. The latter organization is probably > the right one to take point on statements of mostly political content > related to issues that affect our mission. I would like to suggest that > we (the IAB and IESG and IETF Chair) request the ISOC draft a message along > the lines of what the ACM and IACR and others have already written. This > would include such details as the affect on the IETF's meetings and the > ISOC's outreach program and would ask them to incorporate suggestions from > the IETF community on content (but leaving the wording to ISOC). I'd also > suggest they provide a signature page where IETF community members may > endorse the ISOC message. > > I would further suggest that a faster but not perfect note is better than > the alternative. > > Mike > > >
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