Re: ietf meeting fees

[Bob Hinden <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

> On May 28, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Keith Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> On 5/28/19 4:35 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
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>> PS - like it or not, meeting fees provide a substantial amount of the money for the general IETF budget specifically including standards publication. 

The percentage of the IETF costs that the IETF meetings registration fees cover has been going down for a long time.  With the addition of the added expenses for the LLC less so now.

According to the IETF 2019 budget at:

https://www.ietf.org/documents/246/IETF_2019_Budget_Public_2018-12-19.pdf

Meeting revenue ($3,941,880) is greater than meeting expenses ($3,837,325) by $104,555.   So we are pretty close to the meetings just paying for themselves.   ISOC more or less is paying for everything else.

Also, the 2020 advice, shows a meeting deficit of about $12K.

Bob



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> It's a given that there has to be some way to pay the bills.  But if we have so much inertia around this way of raising revenue that it makes IETF less and less relevant over time, maybe IETF should address this problem sooner rather than later.   No organization can hope to remain viable if it refuses to even consider adapting to changing conditions.
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>> If you are arguing for actions that reduce or tend to reduce or have the potential to limit the intake of funds from that model, I suggest you also come up with a more than handwaving proposal for how to replace those funds or explain which functions supported by the IETF we're going to eliminate to cover such shortfall.
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> Perhaps we should also require more than handwaving reasons for staying the same.  :-)
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> (There's a familiar set of arguments for staying the same:  If you don't provide a detailed proposal, it's labeled handwaving. If you do provide a detailed proposal, it's easy to pick it apart as naive because it hasn't yet benefited from broad exposure and feedback.   Or is there no longer any place for brainstorming in IETF?)
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> I do suspect that there's likely a market for technical conferences that serve as a more effective way for IT and operations people to keep abreast of standards development and also to provide feed-forward about the problems that they are having and which need to be addressed.   And that such conferences might also attract more "doers" to IETF.
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> I'm not accustomed to designing conferences, so if you want details, perhaps suggest what kinds of details are needed?
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> Keith
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