Re: NomCom is Open for Community Feedback

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Fri, 16 October 2020 15:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: NomCom is Open for Community Feedback
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:34:08 -0700
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Barbara,

Thanks, very helpful.

Bob


> On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:53 AM, STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
>> Barbara,
>> 
>> I see that at the end of the feedback form there are three topics:
>> 
>>  IESG Expectations of Proposed Standard
>>  IESG and IAB as servants of the community
>>  Engaging with external, impacted stakeholders
>> 
>> Could you provide more background on what the NomCom is looking for?
>> The current descriptions are a bit sparse.
> 
> Thanks for asking.
> Apparently I forgot to include the ietf list on my previous Announcement. <sigh>
> No wonder (hopefully that's the reason) I got so little feedback.
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/ann/202641/
> 
> Summary: Several people have provided comments to NomCom on topics they'd
> like us to keep in mind as we go through our process. But we need to get more community
> input on these topics to get a better sense of what the overall community thinks. We
> also need to know if there are other topics to consider.
> 
> I've copied the text of that Announcement below, so you don't have to follow the link.
> It provides more about the source of the first two topics. The 3rd topic (engaging with
> external stakeholders) was about how the IESG should relate with non-technical forums
> and stakeholders that are affected by the non-technical consequences of new IETF
> standards, like governments and regulators. I'll ask the originator of that topic to
> either send more on that to the ietf list to generate discussion or for
> permission to include the text provided to NomCom.
> Thx,
> Barbara
> 
> =========== Announcement sent last week =======
> 
> Hi IETFers,
> NomCom has entered a "quiet" week where nominations are now closed
> and feedback on nominees hasn't started (the nominees have through
> October 13 to accept nominations and provide questionnaire responses;
> NomCom opens up for nominee feedback on Oct 14).
> 
> But "quiet" is boring. So I'd like to use this opportunity to encourage input on "Topics".
> 
> We've received input and feedback on some broader IETF issues from
> some people. To get a better sense of where the community stands
> on these Topics (and to know if there are other Topics we should think
> about when interviewing nominees and selecting candidates), we need
> more community input. These Topics are intended to help provide
> NomCom with guidance and prioritization on what values and
> competencies the community would like to see represented in both the
> individual and the holistic composition of its leadership.
> 
> Topics received so far are listed on
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2020/feedback/
> 
> They are:
> - IESG expectations of Proposed Standard
> - IESG and IAB as servants of the community
> 
> In case you're wondering, these were taken from Brian Carpenter's open
> letter to NomCom (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-nomcom2020-letter-00.html).
> We also received some similar input (not from Brian) during IETF 108
> NomCom office hours.
> 
> There are many good ways for you to provide input to NomCom on
> broader (not nominee-specific) topics:
> 1. Discussion on the ietf email list (for those who feel comfortable doing so)
> 2. Go to https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2020/feedback/ , click on
> one of the Topics listed at the right, and enter your thoughts (an excellent
> mechanism for those not fully comfortable with the ietf list)
> 3. An email to nomcom20@ietf.org (also an excellent mechanism for
> those not comfortable with the ietf list, and can be used to suggest new
> topics as well as comment on existing topics)
> 4. Attend our Office Hours (dates and times in November to be announced)
> 
> NomCom is expected to represent the IETF community. We need your
> thoughtful input and feedback to do this well.
> 
> Next week I'll send an announcement calling for nominee feedback.