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RE: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Diversity of candidates was Re: NomCom 2020 Announcement of Selections

Richard Li <richard.li@futurewei.com> Sat, 30 January 2021 18:18 UTC

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From: Richard Li <richard.li@futurewei.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com>, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>, "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
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Subject: RE: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Diversity of candidates was Re: NomCom 2020 Announcement of Selections
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>...> Also, I think that WGs lasting 10+ years should be sanctioned, why do we need them?
>
>For protocols needing continuous maintenance and/or operational enhancement.

Would it make more sense if we have WGs operating in a roadmap or release-by-release way? 

When developing software/systems, it is a general practice to use the release concept, for example, both Cisco IOS and Juniper JunOS have been developed in a way of release by release. 

A WG would continue as long as needed provided that there be a release of enough work to do.

Thanks,

Richard








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From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 10:36 AM
To: tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com>; Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>; STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com>
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Subject: Re: How to get diversity of nominees was Re: Diversity of candidates was Re: NomCom 2020 Announcement of Selections

On 27-Jan-21 22:47, tom petch wrote:
...
> One step forward would be to stop WG Chairs authoring I-D. 

That would certainly have stopped me from ever being a WG Chair.

On 28-Jan-21 05:10, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
...> Also, I think that WGs lasting 10+ years should be sanctioned, why do we need them?

For protocols needing continuous maintenance and/or operational enhancement.

    Brian

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