RE: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison manager

"Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> Thu, 01 May 2014 16:18 UTC

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From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com>
To: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>, IAB <iab@iab.org>, IETF Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Call for volunteers for C/C++ API liaison manager
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I think this is missing the point. This is not about "When we propose an API in the IETF" because that's not the proposal.

>From what I've seen (I track them to some extent) of how ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 are progressing (having finished C++14, a tidy-up of C++11) _they_ want to create a C++ interface to these things. (Which is, I would guess, likely to be at least in part object-based, not simply function calls.) That would be because people writing C++ programs want to do things that need them, and they would like a standardised way of doing it.

They have then requested input from domain experts (i.e. the IETF) on this. (ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 are C++ language experts.) This would end up in an ISO standard (I think probably a Technical Report, not the main C++ standard). If the IETF wanted to it could then reference that (or whatever else is allowed) in an RFC, but that's not ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22's business.

So the question here is whether (and if so how) to assist ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 or not.

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On 4/30/2014 8:20 AM, IAB Chair wrote:
> We often see proposals for APIs (most commonly C APIs) discussed in
> the IETF.

A protocol "API" isn't language-specific; it describes (or ought to) the 
upper and lower layer interactions, e.g., as was done in RFC793.

When we propose an API in the IETF, it should be for that protocol API, 
not for a language API (which is an instance, specific to a language and 
also often an OS, of that protocol API).

(that doesn't preclude the benefit of a liason to a language-standards 
group, but we shouldn't be seeing IETF proposals for such instances IMO).

Joe


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