Re: ietf meeting fees

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 29-May-19 10:49, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 5/28/19 4:35 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
> 
>> PS - like it or not, meeting fees provide a substantial amount of the 
>> money for the general IETF budget specifically including standards 
>> publication. 
> 
> It's a given that there has to be some way to pay the bills.  But if we 
> have so much inertia around this way of raising revenue that it makes 
> IETF less and less relevant over time, maybe IETF should address this 
> problem sooner rather than later.   No organization can hope to remain 
> viable if it refuses to even consider adapting to changing conditions.

My understanding is that IETF LLC's jobs include fund-raising, so we do
have this issue on somebody's to-do list.

     Brian

> 
>> If you are arguing for actions that reduce or tend to reduce or have 
>> the potential to limit the intake of funds from that model, I suggest 
>> you also come up with a more than handwaving proposal for how to 
>> replace those funds or explain which functions supported by the IETF 
>> we're going to eliminate to cover such shortfall.
> 
> Perhaps we should also require more than handwaving reasons for staying 
> the same.  :-)
> 
> (There's a familiar set of arguments for staying the same:  If you don't 
> provide a detailed proposal, it's labeled handwaving. If you do provide 
> a detailed proposal, it's easy to pick it apart as naive because it 
> hasn't yet benefited from broad exposure and feedback.   Or is there no 
> longer any place for brainstorming in IETF?)
> 
> I do suspect that there's likely a market for technical conferences that 
> serve as a more effective way for IT and operations people to keep 
> abreast of standards development and also to provide feed-forward about 
> the problems that they are having and which need to be addressed.   And 
> that such conferences might also attract more "doers" to IETF.
> 
> I'm not accustomed to designing conferences, so if you want details, 
> perhaps suggest what kinds of details are needed?
> 
> Keith
> 
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