IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: What's the alternative to "snarling"?

Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> Mon, 19 April 2021 15:51 UTC

Return-Path: <leifj@mnt.se>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102E23A1B9D for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.004
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnt-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w__NuP8jmeB4 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lf1-x133.google.com (mail-lf1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CCAD3A3732 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:51:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lf1-x133.google.com with SMTP id x20so26417464lfu.6 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:51:23 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnt-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=Kpfa6k1y6Eyi3DyelYNMR6huDrVUZvnOo+ZJUlIOJAQ=; b=2Qt9BnDo8GjbrHSZHWVHNv7bUK3y2UjPXDXsiaqj5HcaZbSrb9CIY3ImA9zqbQTP5B TkyJLf6bA51F1/Hrp1MRvjWU2bxSZhaTpzfFZZStn6+nmK4CirPXZ7E/ndsExUfeoVyo yT66ng63RS6E1WQQSCnQiPFoiw7vlj+p2A25nlU8/AoIfRHtCQUYjILvdwVgJyXPN6mY 2Mgsya3IsHRvd6jF+AoBTjfTcrzbpz6vMPF2qytdJ8GyqzKnDIh1aptNckU2qtM6mggr mMKfDtxz6VdJCqHPN3ymi0D+gEa/SNs5k7ve48dObIYUvXa2lx7343G1hANNJeMK8bil YyRQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=Kpfa6k1y6Eyi3DyelYNMR6huDrVUZvnOo+ZJUlIOJAQ=; b=sAtPjFNwl4WhwYGv1vgv0cST8sHEE9EWWJACbMVltCn3SXK8A4n3ZDJ5k+/7PCKCp6 asC/xZ7TxpiYdC7dStxkcXGesS6uh4BKz/kn9pz/ISCn+JQXHrmwCEzDc+lp42LE/nnR LTZdv4GovqZJ7Kt+u5316EFGI6WdEKpXinVjQi54bmNX2LXQF7MmrsSLA00xDTO+rTmr QT6W7HJz6lcI38ANw402gy7OG9rMKxSeLUvqRK+ulx5Y8HjCwNOjgHZSaHlSsIA2EGz9 0SZdxkU+04vRhFUk7vO8MKhzXKa5Hu7+i8X/YjQxcajU4sBf7hzZb09gEGfy/fqs7r0U Ubsg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532tNKpNOJBpl+a+ehn/K2fFjEtrMktIiatOJhwVRvVycYld8SIK TGd4NLWxyrj2DGKVNLJRUj6qAv9raHRJQw==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyiN3Lqj+blfLjuuef+HuI+RR403k+IC2u25GNHN1HQ/vkfRnTDZMQ9X2M86poCIjL+2gd36A==
X-Received: by 2002:a19:f10e:: with SMTP id p14mr759265lfh.249.1618847479964; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.0.0.131] (h-98-128-229-174.NA.cust.bahnhof.se. [98.128.229.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k5sm143150ljg.33.2021.04.19.08.51.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Subject: Re: What's the alternative to "snarling"?
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:51:18 +0200
Message-Id: <1C5B7B67-27E5-41F5-89D4-765A407C1FC6@mnt.se>
References: <0b63d094-8c95-409f-282e-86231128f7b5@network-heretics.com>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <0b63d094-8c95-409f-282e-86231128f7b5@network-heretics.com>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D61)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/jtFUjaSsc-xJONBCOmMJKdQ74mQ>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:51:33 -0000


Skickat från min iPhone

> 19 apr. 2021 kl. 17:25 skrev Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>:
> 
> On 4/19/21 11:16 AM, Leif Johansson wrote:
> 
>>> That way, they can learn to snarl like the rest of us :)
>>> 
>>> Keith
>> Or we assign tasks to old-timers so they can learn not to.
> 
> In other words, they can spend all of their time politely explaining in detail why proposals are Bad Ideas, instead of getting useful work done.

Point to where the useful work will be done if we don’t stop this.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email