Re: WG Review: NETCONF Data Modeling Language (netmod)

Andy Bierman <ietf@andybierman.com> Wed, 23 April 2008 14:45 UTC

Return-Path: <ietf-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: ietf-archive@megatron.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-ietf-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E036628C144; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CA728C0F8 for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:45:08 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.259
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.340, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsU8sJCPPEAo for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.205]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BC8C3A6D66 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 46393 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2008 14:45:02 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (andybierman@att.net@68.120.230.106 with plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2008 14:45:00 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: diOmcUMVM1ltUI6v15SIvlvtf0JcilJgGEEtEpPjzhMeYF5Z3OjcWG0rDRaSrPZz40iW17MuYJUHfT0zEHJ0bzp3dhCnMQ36g2dWdw--
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
Message-ID: <480F4B6A.8090800@andybierman.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:44:58 -0700
From: Andy Bierman <ietf@andybierman.com>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Subject: Re: WG Review: NETCONF Data Modeling Language (netmod)
References: <20080422211401.303175081A@romeo.rtfm.com> <NIEJLKBACMDODCGLGOCNCEGOEMAA.bertietf@bwijnen.net> <20080422215641.09FD05081A@romeo.rtfm.com> <004101c8a4df$d7bfe980$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> <20080423035508.ED17E5081A@romeo.rtfm.com> <480EE7A1.5090408@alvestrand.no>
In-Reply-To: <480EE7A1.5090408@alvestrand.no>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org

Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> At Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:17:47 -0600,
>> Randy Presuhn wrote:
>>   
>>> Our ADs worked very hard to prevent us from talking about technology
>>> choices at the CANMOD BOF.  Our original proposal for consensus
>>> hums included getting a of sense of preferences among the various
>>> proposals.  We were told we could *not* ask these questions, for fear
>>> of upsetting Eric Rescorla. 
>>>     
>> Well, it's certainly true that the terms--agreed to by the IESG and
>> the IAB--on which the BOF were held were that there not be a beauty
>> contest at the BOF but that there first be a showing that there was
>> consensus to do work in this area at all. I'm certainly willing to cop
>> to being one of the people who argued for that, but I was far
>> from the only one. If you want to blame me for that, go ahead.
>>
>> In any case, now that consensus to do *something* has been 
>> established it is the appropriate time to have discussion on 
>> the technology. I certainly never imagined that just because
>> there weren't hums taken in PHL that that meant no hums would
>> ever be taken.
> It's been a month since PHL.
> 
> The IETF's supposed to be able to work on mailing lists between 
> meetings, including being able to work when no WG exists - which of 
> course means working on mailing lists that are not WG lists.
>

Agreed -- this also means that the 'technical approach' straw poll
that did not occur in the CANMOD BoF is not really that important,
since final consensus needs to be confirmed on a designated mailing list.

> I congratulate the participants who worked on the charter on managing to 
> have the discussion and come to consensus on an approach. I think it's 
> up to Eric to demonstrate to the IESG that there's support in the 
> community for disagreeing with the consensus of the discussing participants.

+1

15 person (large!) design team.  1000s of emails.  Done in a month.
This is more effort than most WGs can muster.

> 
>                  Harald

Andy

_______________________________________________
IETF mailing list
IETF@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf