Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists

Doug Barton <> Thu, 24 April 2014 22:18 UTC

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On 04/24/2014 02:35 PM, Martin Rex wrote:
> Doug Barton wrote:
>> What won't help is sitting on the sidelines and whinging that the "DMARC
>> cabal" "doesn't get it" and has to listen to us about how it should
>> conduct their business. Because not only do they clearly not have to do
>> that, they are not doing it.
> But that is exactly what happens here, they obviously don't get it at all.

... and yet the DMARC rollout continues. My point being that complaining 
about it has been ineffective so far, and is likely to continue to be 

> In case you didn't know or realize, what DMARC specifies for p=reject
> is actually a real felony crime in Germany (no kidding!),

I can't comment intelligently on that point. However I would assume that 
the high-powered attorneys at the large multi-national corporations 
(Yahoo! and AOL) who have already deployed it don't think you're right. 
OTOH if you are right, it will make an interesting side show. :)

> It also should stop since it is technically wrong.

That's your opinion, and the opinion of a non-trivial number of people 
on this list. But again, even if you're right, the thing is being 
deployed anyway. So fixing the mailing list software is the right thing 
to do regardless.

> It is the tail trying to wag the dog

You have "the tail" and "the dog" reversed. Mailing list traffic is a 
tiny fraction of what the big providers carry. IT is the tail.