Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techno.cat@gmail.com
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On 10/29/2013 03:38 PM, Douglas Otis wrote: The real issue is how after the fact you would disprove digital tampering with the participation process... i.e. that censorship filters were not installed into the mailing process to 1) Separate any voice setup to be isolated 2) Send that person mail to make it look like they are still participating... 3) Edit their commentary back in to the history file to complete the covering up of the fraud. You would have to have multiple addresses for a number of lists right? Todd > On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:53 AM, ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: > >>> the chilling effect of vigilateism is far worse than spam or trolls. >>> we've been dealing with the latter for decades, and there is little >>> actual real harm if any. the chilling effect of vigilanteism causes >>> actual harm and reduces the rich diversity of opinion, culture, and >>> viewpoint. >> I could not agree more. By condoning such measures people are damaging the >> diversity they are supposedly trying to support. > Agreed. Not all interests will be met but each should have a voice within an open and transparent process. It would be a pity to allow censorship or political propriety to place this process behind hidden barriers. > > Regards, > Douglas Otis
- Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techno.ca… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Techno CAT
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Anonymous postings SM
- RE: Anonymous postings l.wood
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- Re: Anonymous postings Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Anonymous postings Melinda Shore
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- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Randy Bush
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Dave Crocker
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Barry Leiba
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Randy Bush
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Melinda Shore
- IETF::ISOC (was Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal… Dave Crocker
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… John C Klensin
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Randy Bush
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Scott Brim
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Ted Lemon
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with [censored] SM
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Jari Arkko
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Melinda Shore
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Melinda Shore
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Randy Bush
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Thomas Narten
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Ted Lemon
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Ted Lemon
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… John C Klensin
- RE: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… l.wood
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Christian Huitema
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Masataka Ohta
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… joel jaeggli
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Melinda Shore
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- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Scott Brim
- RE: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Richard Shockey
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Ted Lemon
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Randy Bush
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Dave Crocker
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Douglas Otis
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… ned+ietf
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… John Levine
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Melinda Shore
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… David Conrad
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Jorge Amodio
- On anonymity.... (was: Sergeant at arms: please d… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Douglas Otis
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Dan Harkins
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… TSG - personal
- Re: Sergeant at arms: please deal with mars.techn… Ted Lemon