Re: Proposed IETF Trust Conflict of Interest Policy for Community Review

Bob Hinden <> Tue, 29 March 2016 22:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: Proposed IETF Trust Conflict of Interest Policy for Community Review
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Overall I think this is a good idea and this seems to me to be a reasonable policy, with one exception.

At the end it says:

"If the Trustees decide by unanimous vote of the Trustees then in office (other than the Trustee in question) that the Trustee had in fact purposefully failed to disclose a significant possible conflict of interest, the Trustees shall bar the Trustee from participating (in person or remotely) in any ongoing matters related to the potential conflict and review past decisions that may have been unduly influenced by the Trustee in conflict. The Trustees shall report any such bar and the results of any such review to the IAOC for potential action. The Trustees may also decide by unanimous vote of the Trustees then in office (other than the Trustee in question) that a conflict of interest reported by a Trustee is of such a nature as to require the Trustee to refrain from all Trust activities.  The Trustees shall report any such determination to the IAOC for potential action.”

The IETF Trust is not part of the IAOC, nor is the IAOC responsible for the IETF trust.  That is, the IAOC is not above the IETF Trust.  Given this, I don’t understand the text I cited above.

Please explain.


> On Mar 29, 2016, at 10:52 AM, The IETF Trust <> wrote:
> The IETF Trust would like community input on a proposed Conflict of
> Interest Policy.
> The trustees of a legal trust entity, such as the IETF Trust, should
> be subject to a conflict of interest policy.  Accordingly, the
> Trustees are considering this policy for adoption.
> The policy discusses the following:
>  1.  Application of Policy
>  2.  Conflict of Interest
>  3.  Disclosure of Potential Conflicts of Interest
>  4.  Procedures for Review of Potential Conflicts
>  5.  Violations of Conflict of Interest Policy
> The proposed Conflicts of Interest Policy is located here:
> The Trustees will consider all comments received by 13 April 2016.
> Ray Pelletier
> Trustee
> IETF Administrative Director