Re: Sergeant-at-arms engagement model

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Tue, 15 October 2019 07:10 UTC

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Keith Moore wrote:

> The words "They also include criticizing an idea in an insulting or 
> excessively hostile manner" are troubling.   I realize that one may 
> criticize an idea in such a way as to effectively be critical of the
>  person proposing the idea.  And yet, it is essential that people be
> able to discuss ideas candidly, and sometimes to criticize ideas 
> emphatically.   I believe it's inappropriate to impugn a
> participant's motive without supporting evidence of that motive.  But
> I don't believe it's wrong to point out any problem with an idea
> itself, nor with potential ill effects of an idea, nor even with the
> appearance of an idea.   Sometimes this is a fine line, but it's
> essential that the SAAs not interfere with vigorous discussion of
> relevant ideas.

Let me try.

IPv6 with unnecessarily lengthy 16B addresses without valid
technical reasoning only to make network operations prohibitively
painful is a garbage protocol.

LISP, which perform ID to locator mapping, which is best
performed by DNS, in a lot less scalable way than DNS
is a garbage protocol.

					Masataka Ohta