Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 04 July 2017 14:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-ps
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: > i would offer to put my keyboard where my mouth is. but i fear that, at > the bottom, i would have the unreasonable desire for dns classes to > support these kinds of things. i.e. i don't think we have a clean fix. > but it would be nice to document the good with the bad. That sounds like a solution, not a motivation. That is, you care about the problem hypothetically, and have a hypothetical solution. In practice when we’ve talked about using dns classes to solve problems that have motivated rfc6761 allocations, it hasn’t really helped, because the infrastructure required to use them this way is not present, and this isn’t how they were originally intended to be used. For example, is ICANN.org with a different class not a subdomain of the .org TLD? Would ICANN not object to us designating it for use by someone else? I suspect yes, and I wouldn’t blame them.
- Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-sutld-… Warren Kumari
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Randy Bush
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Ralph Droms
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Randy Bush
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Ted Lemon
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Randy Bush
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Ted Lemon
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Randy Bush
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Ted Lemon
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Randy Bush
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Ted Lemon
- Re: Minor philosophical update to draft-ietf-dnso… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Paul Vixie
- new DNS classes Jim Reid
- Re: new DNS classes Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Conrad
- Re: new DNS classes John C Klensin
- Re: new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: new DNS classes or anything else John Levine
- Re: new DNS classes or anything else George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… william manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: new DNS classes or anything else Randy Bush
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: new DNS classes or anything else John C Klensin
- Re: Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-dnsop-su… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Ted Lemon
- Re: Minor philosophical update to draft-ietf-dnso… Ted Lemon
- Re: Minor philosophical update to draft-ietf-dnso… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Roy T. Fielding
- Re: new DNS classes John Levine
- Re: Minor philosophical update to draft-ietf-dnso… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: new DNS classes John C Klensin
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: new DNS classes shogunx
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Martin Rex
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Minor editorial change to draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Cake
- Re: new DNS classes Paul Vixie
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes David Conrad
- Re: new DNS classes william manning
- Re: new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: new DNS classes Nico Williams
- Re: new DNS classes Pete Resnick
- Re: new DNS classes Randy Bush
- Re: new DNS classes Mark Andrews
- Re: new DNS classes John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes Andrew Sullivan
- Re: new DNS classes John Levine
- Re: new DNS classes Phillip Hallam-Baker