Timeout Request: Was: Resignation request
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Thu, 05 March 2020 13:53 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 08:53:24 -0500
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Subject: Timeout Request: Was: Resignation request
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>, SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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It is not at all unusual for drafts to change AFTER WG consensus has been reached. The question is whether the changes are within the spirit of what there is consensus for. So the mere fact that a draft was revised just before consensus being declared is not in itself evidence of perfidy or a cause for calling for anyone's resignation. I am getting rather fed up of the way in which this is being discussed. I understand that people have deep seated ideological beliefs regarding the sanctity of what they imagine the Internet architecture to be. But making public demands for people to resign is not the way to address that. I also note that the outcome of the architecture discussion I attempted to provoke was the IP packet purists stating 'you can have your opinion on architecture but others are entitled to disagree'. Well hello, that was precisely the point I was making. You cannot preach 'permissionless innovation' and then insist on a single architectural view being correct. I do not insist that my model is the only correct one, but I do have at least part of a model that describes the Internet as it is today and I am not aware of anyone else in the argument having attempted that. Demanding resignations over disagreements over sacred texts that are not even written down seems an unreasonable way to behave and I think folk need to stop it. For those of you who are interested, this is where I got on the model to date. As you will note, I explain why layered models do not work and why the OSI model in particular is unhelpful. But the principles of encapsulation are still important and we need to understand what the interfaces between the layers are. And this is especially true for projects like DNS Discovery and QUIC where we would wish to change those layers. http://defaultdenysecurity.com/Professional/Architecture/
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- Re: Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Fwd: Resignation request Fernando Gont
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Nick Hilliard
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Melchior Aelmans
- Re: Resignation request Job Snijders
- Re: Resignation request Ted Hardie
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Sander Steffann
- Re: Resignation request Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Resignation request Andrew Alston
- Re: Resignation request Keith Moore
- Re: Resignation request Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Resignation request Stewart Bryant
- Re: Resignation request Loa Andersson
- Timeout Request: Was: Resignation request Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Resignation request Alex Bogdanov
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- Re: Resignation request Nico Williams
- Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Warren Kumari
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Andrew Alston
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Fernando Gont
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Paul Wouters
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) S Moonesamy
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Pete Resnick
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Nico Williams
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Eric Rescorla
- Re: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Dispute process (Was: Resignation request) Larry Masinter