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Re: Remote only meetings? [Re: Concerns about Singapore]

Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 13 April 2016 07:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: Remote only meetings? [Re: Concerns about Singapore]
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Den 13. april 2016 04:08, skrev Brian E Carpenter:
> Cherry-picking a few points:
> On 13/04/2016 00:46, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> ...
>> > And the difficulties/expense of travel are only going to get worse
>> > for the forseeable future: they're not going to get better.
> That is indisputable.

Difficulties, yes. Expense - not so much.

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/airfares/programs/economics_and_finance/air_travel_price_index/html/AnnualFares.html

Average US domestic itinerary cost has gone down 30% over the last 20
years (inflation-adjusted); they seem to have hit a floor after 2009.

Note: Virtual interims tend towards more frequent meetings. Once you
pass the once-a-month level and move towards the once-a-week level, that
form of participation *severely* restricts the ability to participate of
the timezone-challenged compared to an email-heavy style of interaction.

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