Re: IETF 107 and Corona Virus?

Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> Mon, 17 February 2020 01:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 107 and Corona Virus?
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:57:46 +1300
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John

> On 17/02/2020, at 2:37 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
> 
> * Government-imposed restrictions, not on travel, but on
> post-travel activities or equivalent, such as 14 day quarantines
> after arrival.  I think that, if Canada imposed a 14 day
> quarantine on arrivals from certain cities or countries
> (effectively requiring around March 7 for the IETF meeting) or
> if a participant's country of residence required a 14 day
> quarantine period on return after IETF, it is a fairly safe bet
> that many companies would say "can't have you away from work for
> three weeks, so you are not allowed to go".

I find it difficult to conceive that any restriction that prevents someone from travelling to where they want to go can be described as anything other than a travel restriction.

However, for the avoidance of doubt, the list now includes (but is again not limited to) the following government imposed travel restrictions:

	- denial of exit
	- denial of entry
	- diversion
	- repatriation
	- isolation (including on the way to the meeting, at the meeting and returning from the meeting)
	- quarantine (including on the way to the meeting, at the meeting and returning from the meeting)
	- blanket travel bans (not including corporate, yet)

> 
> I don't expect you to make policy on the fly about such things
> and hope no one else does either, but these are the sorts of
> things that are likely enough that establishing a policy and
> making it clear -- rather than making case-by-case decisions and
> hoping they will be perceived as fair-- seems to me to be quite
> important.

Again for the avoidance of doubt, that is what I meant with my previous message about not making policy on the fly and consulting with colleagues about an amendment to the policy

Jay


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