IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC

Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> Wed, 02 November 2016 16:48 UTC

Return-Path: <dcrocker@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D346F129460 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOHrlCc1-1mL for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pf0-x22b.google.com (mail-pf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E05D112945B for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id d2so14877406pfd.0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:subject:to:references:reply-to:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OzCIqF1Qri9CnU9QTIt85E71QXKlIiQ+FQya8PMHOfA=; b=MXPGIvYnE9X4U6KaWK8l1SdU5QZ/urkcYljCML5MGMNTpH0MItsQz9/4lmMuiqMhzb jCZnv7axzDTMLoChtWWI/qMCd5upl8z4gtgKVNY7h7oogHYi3MevmXaBOBFChUFgDHd1 MUilRDTIHA1YYFtJzTGG0Mmql+wPGtU0Huug+D/QRwOroP9gZTNkXF4t9RLW6pXuI/8B N5YbPjcTli60WY791nqgbIe2mlJGW7iU7zSkx+PPat/5X+MbEgkju0imngG738UAaHcd SitDsiOK/WeBpK2cOH0iV10/YIQG60mBmXCv+mYVSf6k58zUxZ5NPoSxUd2DmCzIQRz3 f9/Q==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:references:reply-to:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OzCIqF1Qri9CnU9QTIt85E71QXKlIiQ+FQya8PMHOfA=; b=iGCHyw5142hMBfE5/ZELUKp1XZAMGyw/TuWZ6EQdUzaI2eAhdomgBFFgbsH5kwLuUW 64eRw8GtzcfeGcotmELwXSbQNj+u8YF2Vza1I8ngbUj2Cylo20y7dwFl4o6WRD2UT3KC XELzJuX8jmTv7BFGClgGoUlNTn2C8cof2dCsrWbwbjiXQcqoLCPijNxrM5ATbYEmrUS9 Cv0JzZOZa4FpTMtA6dy4dvh/LDGTckLqcQ7wuimcNsu4v9eIAjSDNUhDaPA7dH0sqp8i E2CetkJOgsDDtLUTd1P18PkNzvh7X+jKDhtYKoeq2QpajfcuG3rO8eGMXQWClL3hpMBD X6hQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvexUyPyVTxfzmx+AhuDJGf+rdypBuvsaowM+pW2rUssK8Fxoe/8KM2ex/bLxMUvOw==
X-Received: by 10.98.93.201 with SMTP id n70mr8414089pfj.161.1478105308420; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.71.12.45] ([8.25.222.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a66sm6013923pfe.51.2016.11.02.09.48.26 for <ietf@ietf.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com>
X-Google-Original-From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Subject: Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <678C2FBA-A661-4556-A300-5C08562B5F8A@iii.ca> <20161102163641.66951.qmail@ary.lan> <CAPt1N1k1wg9mbN-guuarFP0NvX7v-suOY-bP=TDEOCVhK-epmg@mail.gmail.com>
Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
Message-ID: <8b38d8a3-67d8-d2b7-f70a-ba462360d12a@dcrocker.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:48:24 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAPt1N1k1wg9mbN-guuarFP0NvX7v-suOY-bP=TDEOCVhK-epmg@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/lrqgI8d4gXa7X-IgYqYPYH_6GaI>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 16:48:31 -0000

On 11/2/2016 9:37 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> And yet it is still happening, despite there being a great deal of
> discussion in the archives...   :/


Indeed.

The question is convergence on rough consensus for how to handle this, 
differently than deciding to do nothing (which arguably has been the 
rough consensus choice to date.)

So the question is not 'what should be done' but rather 'who has a 
proposal and can get rough consensus for it'?

d/

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email