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"Chris Lewis" <clewis@nortel.com> Wed, 12 November 2008 19:39 UTC

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David Romerstein wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Randy Presuhn wrote:
> 
>> Agreed, but if those analogies are correct, they also undermine the argument.
>> Neither the email sender nor the recipient (the ones to whom email is most
>> important) typically have any voice whatsoever in the selection of the DNSBL.

> End recipients *absolutely* have a voice in the DNSbl selection process. 
> They have the option of voting with their feet if their ISP chooses a 
> DNSbl that negatively impacts them.

Or as in the case with a non-ISP (eg: a corporate environment like us),
they _are_ the end recipients.  The liability for missed email, for
example, is entirely the corporation's.
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