Re: Hotel situation
Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> Tue, 05 January 2016 16:19 UTC
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:19:07 -0800
From: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com>
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
Subject: Re: Hotel situation
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, John C Klensin wrote: > > > I note that "pick locations to maximize meeting fee income" was > not on any of the lists of criteria that have been posted in > recent weeks by various IAOC and Meetings Committee members. I > presume that means it is not an important criterion because, if > it were, the criteria that the community is being told about and > the criteria that are being used are different... and that, to > me, would be a very serious matter. > > john > Speaking as the chair of said committee, no "maximizing meeting fee income" is not and (at least in my opinion) should not be the primary reason for selecting a venue. There *is* obviously some predictable correlation between location and attendance number, for example if we have a meeting in San Jose or San Francisco we would expect a larger than average number of "locals" to attend because there are many of them in that area. But it's not clear that such a peak in numbers would benefit the IETF in the long run, in other words, it isn't clear that such extra attendees would become regular contributors. The primary requirement is that we find a venue where we can have a successful meeting, and that typically starts with a meeting room analysis while taking into account all the other desires of our attendee population (hotel, travel, local facilities, etc, etc). Please understand that this is an optimization excercise with no perfect solutions unless we are really willing to give up some of what we consider "nice" and meet in a place that strictly caters to conventions. Las Vegas would clearly win, but I have a strong impression that many of our attendees would object to going there. (It also happens to be a "tourist destination" for reasons that kind of escapes me, but that's yet another discussion). Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 docomo: (090) 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com
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