Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Fri, 22 October 2021 17:24 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, "Barry Leiba" <barryleiba@computer.org>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:24:24 +0000
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> And, in any event, I see both Rich's and Barry's proposals (and
    the effect of the one I posted today) as more "take a break"
    than "you are retired" and I think that distinction is important.

Yes.

Barry proposed that the NomCom be advised to do this, and I proposed that it be done before. My goal is to encourage my nominations because I believe it will be obvious during the nominations phase that fewer incumbents are standing for leadership positions.

I really wish I had thought to name it "gap year" rather than "term limits."