Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions

"Christopher Wood" <caw@heapingbits.net> Thu, 12 September 2019 22:14 UTC

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:13:38 -0700
From: "Christopher Wood" <caw@heapingbits.net>
To: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
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Heavy +1.

Best,
Chris

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Tim Wattenberg wrote:
> +1, let’s do this. Tim
> 
> > Am 12.09.2019 um 18:14 schrieb Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>;:
> > 
> > As we discussed in the plenary session at IETF 105 in Montréal, some
> > community members have suggested moving document last-call discussions
> > onto a dedicated "last-call" mailing list, and off of the general
> > <ietf@ietf.org>; list.  The latter is a high-volume list with a lot of
> > varied discussion, and some think that it would be useful to separate
> > the general discussion from the last-call discussion, to allow people
> > to choose which discussions (or both) to follow.  In the IETF 105
> > plenary, support was expressed for that separation.
> > 
> > The IESG agrees, and wants to try an experiment to that end.  We
> > propose to create <last-call@ietf.org>; and to direct last-call
> > comments and discussions there (the last-call announcements would
> > still go to <ietf-announce@ietf.org>;, with "reply-to" set to the new
> > list).  That list would be monitored by volunteers recruited by the
> > IETF Chair, and digressions would be nudged back to <ietf@ietf.org>;,
> > while we would ask people having last-call discussions on this list to
> > please move them to the new list.  We would get the tools team
> > involved so that the distribution lists for directorate and
> > review-team reviews would be updated appropriately.
> > 
> > Our plan is to create the new list and pre-subscribe everyone who is
> > subscribed to <ietf@ietf.org>; at that time.  Of course, anyone could
> > unsubscribe to either or both lists immediately or later, but we think
> > that doing it this way would minimize the likelihood that people would
> > miss important stuff because of the move, and folks can choose what
> > they prefer from there.
> > 
> > After six months, we would do an initial evaluation, including getting
> > feedback from the community, to see how the experiment is working.  If
> > it seems worth continuing we would do so, and at a point that the
> > community decides that the experiment is a success (should it so
> > decide), we would start an update to BCP 45 to formally move the
> > location for last-call discussions, and we would update the 2007 IESG
> > Statement on Last Call Guidance.
> > 
> > We invite comments, here, on this plan, by the end of September. As I
> > say above, we've heard support from the community for the general
> > idea, and we'd like to make sure this direction is what the community
> > wants.
> > 
> > Barry, for the IESG
> > 
> 
> 
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