Re: [123attendees] Re: [122attendees] Toward Inclusive Participation– Community Dialogue on Venue Selection (draft-attoumani-ietf-inclusion)

[Frantisek Borsik <[e-mail]>]

Good reasoning, Michael!

Btw, to answer your last question, I can recommend 2 best books on the
topic :-)



All the best,

Frank
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 at 9:50 PM, Michael De Roover <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 10, 2025 12:33:11 AM CEST Deb Cooley wrote:
> > If you attended remotely, there are unlimited fee waivers for remote
> > attendance.  As Kyle says, the video teleconferencing situation is pretty
> > spectacular.
> > For in person attendance, there are a small number of fee waivers, but
> they
> > are much harder to get.
> >
> > In both cases, a fee waiver has to be applied for.
> >
> > So if you did the hackathon in Madrid and/or splurged for the workshop in
> > Madrid (or received one of the small number of fee waivers), you could
> > attend Montreal remotely on a fee waiver.
> >
> > In all of those cases, you need to figure out which working groups
> interest
> > you, read the mail list, review the drafts, etc.
> >
> > Deb Cooley
>
> Hi Deb, thank you for this reply! The fee waivers being unlimited for
> remote
> attendance is quite nice, I'd imagine that to make them much easier to get
> yeah. For the first time attendance (I have never attended IETF before),
> perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea. That way it fits easier into scheduling
> too.
> For this time in Madrid, I unfortunately already have another flight and
> stay
> planned. But I have already stuck a pin into this for a while, and would
> like
> to take the plunge in the not too distant future.
>
> Regarding the in-person fee for the week though (seems to be 1-1.5k?), I
> think
> it's worth thinking in terms of what else that kind of money can do. It
> could
> buy a really nice smartphone, or a laptop or such. Some people might
> prefer
> this over that. But I think in this case, what I'm really after is the
> experience. Is the idea of pursuing a waiver or going out of pocket going
> to
> improve or diminish that experience? Lots to think about...
>
> This is a bit embarrassing to admit, but several of the people on the IETF
> lists, are people I have idolized before. No, I won't name them! But to be
> able to talk to those people, even just on the lists, it never fails to be
> quite surreal. To be able to have access to those people for an entire
> week,
> in person, to be able to shake hands with them... That is the kind of
> "backstage" that I would consider the money worth paying for.
>
> I think the most important thing I want to take away from it, is the life
> lessons that each of us cares about technology, how we best build it, and
> how
> we can grow within it. How even Steve Jobs (whose biography I consider
> somewhat sacred, and got me on this path), initially had to struggle to
> secure
> his first order of the Apple I computer. It humanizes what eventually
> became a
> 3 trillion dollar company. Building social connections, attending
> conferences
> and meetings, mutual refinement, ... I want to learn how all of this
> actually
> works. How do we build "an Internet" anyway?
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> Michael De Roover
>
> Mail: [e-mail]
> Web: michael.de.roover.eu.org
>
>
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